The reason Speedos are stigmatised

[Byron]

(female garment subligaria) (not trademarked I believe)
https://p.gr-assets.com/540x540/fit/...39/6921490.jpg
Yes indeed (pic for males from movie set).
Novice combatants would start with a white cloth but later be awarded red (for blood) if having proved themselves and pleased the crowd in the arena.

[knikon]

The male counterpart was known as the Perizoma and yes they lookred exactly like the above picture...

[Bede735]

At my local pool you are as likely to find a woman wearing a bikini as a man wearing briefs ie. not often. Yet bikinis are available everywhere to buy - even in supermarkets.

Of course with swimming costumes are only noticed when entering and leaving the pool, which is a problem for the bikini wearer who wants to be noticed at all times.

[Byron]

saw THREE together at mine - nearly fainted but sighting never repeated.
Each with two triangles and a bandage, make-up and painted nails etc. and
no swimcap would be big enough to contain the hair.
All posing of course - sitting on pool ledge and at most getting wet to the ankles.

[Byron]

I quote here exact descriptions from same supplier on the
same webpage:

This is a mens Hologram sheer swimwear bikini:
http://cdn.hotfrog.com/companies/Buf...4530_image.JPG
Crazy to describe as bikini - I would say square cut speedo


This is a Mens Print Insert Bikini Swimwear:
http://cdn.hotfrog.com/companies/Buf...4536_image.JPG
I would say brief speedo but this is the limit of brevity for
me to use the term

[Byron]

The difficulties rarely understood:
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/who...713-zt63t.html

To answer post#71 I feel this is well worth reading and
sports commentators and invited "pundits" would be first in my firing line (for pundit read guy with loud mouth pushed in to fill broadcast time but so inarticulate that the mute button is best pressed for the duration).

Just two celebrity examples: Ian Thorpe saying no in his autobiography of two years ago but yes in
his tv interview yesterday. Tom Daley saying bi on YouTube this year but now seems happy to say fully gay.

[Dooley67]

I have been swimming at my local Y for about 6 weeks just about every day. Today while I was doing my laps there were 5 people in the pool, all men. Of the 5 of us, 2 were wearing briefs; me - a 1.5" Nike water polo brief, the other guy about my age was wearing what looked like a 3" Speedo; 2 were wearing square cuts, and one was wearing a boxer style trunk. This is the first time that briefs and square cuts were the predominant style. So things might be changing in the direction we have been talking about.

Earlier in the week, in the locker room I was changing into one of my Turbo suits after working out, having a conversation with a couple of guys I've talked with before. No dirty looks, no raised eyebrows; I was just a guy getting ready to swim. The same thing happened in the sauna, just ordinary conversation with no grimaces or negative comments. Both STS and I have said that people in Maine are very accepting and non judgmental which probably accounts for getting no negative reactions, but the kind of suits worn today in the pool is very promising. I hope it continues.

D67