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Old 08-21-2015, 04:39 PM
Bede735 Bede735 is offline
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Default What is 'good moral taste'?

FINA rules state:

General Rule 5 SWIMWEAR

GR5.1 The swimwear (swimsuit, cap and goggles) of all competitors shall be in good moral taste and suitable for the individual sports discipline and not carry any symbol which may be considered offensive.
GR5.2 All swimsuits shall be non transparent.
GR5.3 The referee of a competition has the authority to exclude any competitor whose swimsuit or body symbols do not comply with this Rule.
GR5.4 Before any swimwear of new design, construction or material is used in competition, the manufacturer of such swimwear must submit the swimwear to FINA and obtain approval of FINA.

By Law 8 SWIMWEAR

BL 8.1 All FINA approved swimwear to be used at the Olympic Games and FINA World Championships must be approved by FINA at least twelve (12) months prior to the start of the respective competition. In addition, it must be available for all competitors by 1st January of the year of the Olympic Games or FINA World Championships.
BL 8.2 In swimming competitions the competitor must wear only one swimsuit in one or two pieces. No additional items, like arm bands or leg bands shall be regarded as parts of a swimsuit.
BL 8.3 From January 1st 2010 swimwear for men shall not extend above the navel nor below the knee, and for women, shall not cover the neck, extend past the shoulder, nor shall extend below knee. All swimsuits shall be made from textile materials.

http://www.barnessc.org/gala-costume-regulations.html

I can understand transparent suits not conforming to the rules (fairly obvious), but how is morality defined?
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Old 08-21-2015, 04:59 PM
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Morality is defined by the eye of the beholder.

ISIS consider it moral to sell girls and young women they capture into slavery as wives from the age of 9 years upwards. ISIS consider it moral that girls be married between the ages if 9 and 17 years. Yet consider it immoral to see any part or a woman's body.

These definitions of morality clash with FINA's swimwear rules. ISIS is unlikely to produce any great women swimmers.

A swimsuit could be designed specifically to satisfy FINA's swimwear rules and yet could seem indecent to officials and spectators. Rule GR5.1 is a catch all rule to cover the unexpected and unimaginable. No one expected swimmers to wear full body suits that never got wet and the rules had to be changed to ban them.
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:20 PM
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Does anyone really expect someone from ISIS to be competing in the Olympics? First, the woman would sink when wet and the guys would have no place to tuck grenades or and guns.'

As far as moral symbols - I can seed that philosophy and think it is good. I can't really see someone with a swastika across their back being cheered on to win. I think it is good to have some controls and standards. People need to know that they may have their own ideas or beliefs, but a sporting event is the place to advertise. it kind of takes the idea of the Olympics to heart - all peoples from all places competing without political or religious overtones.
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:51 PM
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It seems ISIS hide their guns and bombs in small backpacks as we have discovered in a temple in Thailand and on a high speed train in Belgium this week. My condolences to those who lost relatives and congratulations to those who advanced on a heavily armed man in a confined space.

The Olympics let the swastika in at the Berlin Olympics, the Olympic salute easily mistaken for the Hitler salute has since been abandoned. Maybe the IOC and FINA don't want such a thing to happen again.
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Old 08-23-2015, 01:24 PM
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It's probably quite easy to police a competition as the swimmers more or less wear the same suits from a limited number of sports companies, in order to swim the best times.

It must be more difficult for public pool attendants to decide, as a greater variety of outfits are worn.
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Old 08-23-2015, 07:56 PM
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The Berlin Olympics were during Hitlers control. He was totally furious when his superior white race didn't fare well in the medals. What really made him mad, so mad he left the games before the medal ceremony, was the fact a Black American won gold. I have seen a few documentaries where it pointed out that as far as he was concerned the Olympics were to show off the superiority of the white Germans under Nazi rule. He was a very disappointed man when it was over.
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