Most homophobes are repressed gays, they are sexually excited by the sight of a man in brief clothing. They then experience self disgust at their reaction and lash out violently towards the source of their sexual excitement.
Quite often they will suggest that they are trying to protect women and children from indecency.
They pose as alpha males, but had you turned around he may have just looked fat.

repressed
 

Ex-Army trooper (uncompromisingly out to former colleagues) has just written a short memoir relating his experiences during training as a new recruit.
Not always an easy time for him and it was during a posting some time later that he saw a past assailant actually kissing another man in a bar.
The particularly interesting bit (or so it is told) is that when he was a gunner he once fled to Harry (his tank commander) with roughnecks from
another regiment in hot pursuit to give him a beating.
He was sympathetically received and the matter was promptly "sorted" on his behalf.

While we're back on the topic, I'm noticing that even more guys are running in short running shorts.

Today, I noticed that at least 1/2 the guys were in short shorts. When I started keeping track about a year ago, it was more like 1/4.

I've even seen a few guys in their 20's wearing old style shorts at the supermarket.

The trend is definitely encouraging!!!:D

Whilst running I used to gauge the weather by counting the number of men I saw in shorts, as shorts got longer I had to ignore anything below the knee, as they are "not really shorts", maybe things are looking up now.

Soccer teams etc did not count as their use of shorts was compulsory and upset the data.

I of course was in proper 1970-80's split sided running shorts.

Tw shorts
 

When you refer to split-sided is that to mean properly split so that
the separate leg seams only come together at the waist band ? I ask as I have seen shorts
described as "split" when I would only say "notched" - ie giving just a little extra girth at the upper thigh.
Your old favourites were previously described as split sided speedos and I know just what
you mean, with front and rear fabric having slight leftside and rightside overlaps.
I thought there might be an illustration somewhere on the internet but no luck in finding that design so far.

A pair of notched shorts has a front and back panel coming together at each side with a seam. The lowest inch or so of the seam is left open allowing a V shaped notch to form.
Split running shorts have curved front and back panels that overlap, front over back and are stitched to the waist band. Usually there is a depth of stitching holding the two panels together for a couple of inches or so for modesty, though running shorts sold in sex shops may lack this.
Split running shorts allow greater freedom of movement and give the impression that you might just be able to see the side of the ass, but quite never can.

Does that answer you question?

That shorts I referred to has V shaped notch sides.
I personally like split shorts more for the "greater freedom of movement and give the impression that you might just be able to see the side of the ass, but quite never can".

Yes, shocking to me too, 2 weeks ago I saw a young man jogging on the Brooklyn streets wore a pair of black shorts similar length to that one I shown. Pretty much never saw any around this area of the US.

(Probably more chance to see short shorts in Central Park and Chelsea Piers.)

More short shorts
 

I thought I noticed, over the past couple of years, a slow increase in the number of men wearing short(er) shorts, not only for running, etc., but also just around on the street, so I'm happy to see others have noticed the same thing. Personally, I've always tried to wear short shorts as often to possible. My preference is for 2-3 in. inseams and shiny nylon but I wear all types of shorts. I recently had a pair of low rise jeans altered to a pair of shorts with about 4 in. inseam. It had to be that long because of the pockets.
It's difficult to find short shorts but they are available on ebay and other places. So few guys wear short shorts that they aren't even marketed to guys. Soffe makes short nylon shorts called "slicks" that I really like but you have to know that on their web site, the shorts are listed under the female "Junior" size shorts, altho they are sized and cut for males (probably unisex) and they used to be sold as shorts for men.

The best split leg running shorts were back in the early 1990's when Nike had a line of "Internationalist" Race Shorts that were fully split and the inseam was about half an inch. The material was cut so that the side seam was about 4 inches and split. They were awesome shorts. I had three or four pair and loved them. Today, full split shorts are really hard to find with only a few brands still realy selling them. BOA has a great 1 inch inseam full split short and is my current mainstay for running (unless I am at the beach, in which case I wear a brief swimsuit).

http://www.boausa.com/

best shorts
 

Thanks for explanations and illustrations guys - common level of understanding established (wish I could pass a law on retailers to do the same - some who aren't specialist so often can't properly describe what they offer).

PS: tantalising running shorts can sometimes be more attractive than speedos
(but I shall have to ask Louis's forgiveness there)

getting close ?
 

" I recently had a pair of low rise jeans altered to a pair of shorts with about 4 in. inseam. It had to be that long because of the pockets."

That's the main problem in making cutoffs. You have to carefully measure the leg length you want while you're actually wearing them. Otherwise the pockets will show below the leg line which looks really wacky. :eek:

shorts on ......
 

Well, this forum board seems to becomming a shorts fantasy board instead of a speedo one, but thats ok I like short shorts to, but speedo on yal ALL hear or..............

Side split shorts
 

I found some illustrations to go with the recent discussion of side split shorts (sprinters). It's quite clear how these shorts are constructed because they are very transparent.
http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/ma...ml?sort=3&o=12
http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/ma...ml?sort=3&o=14

diaphanous shorts
 

http://www.markus-brighton.com

Don't much like his speedos and not all the shorts but some pleasurable research undertaken from which I conclude:
Cheap at £2.95 and in the white pics I think I see some broad vertical stripes of a modesty speedo beneath.

These shorts do not appear to be fully split with side seam overlaps but are sufficiently so to go beyond describing just as with side notch . I am in some confusion however as I think I see a second seamline but only in that with blue braiding.
(Torchwatch must assist me there)
Whatever, there is plenty to see on his Ebay page and also in Google Images.

(btw do we not have or used to have a board member from Brighton?)

short shorts...
 

bostonspdo your id rings a bell to me were you on the old board ?

SwimTeamSpeedo

Attachment 192

Here is me racing in Nike International split shorts and vest in Sept 1998.
Apologies for the yellow soccer shirt under the running vest.

Happy memories STS, I still have them and am wearing them now.

Two items
 

1. For Louis, yes I was on the old board. And 2., Byron lists the Markus-Brighton web page, but there is rarely much there. You need to check out his ebay offerings (markus-brighton with a hyphen). He also does speedo style suits in "interesting" fabrics.

I love the look of a guy swimming in a speedo and all that wet skin really gives me a rush.

However the look of a guy out running in short running shorts and those developed thighs are the next best thing!!! :D

shorts.....
 

Thanks bostonspd then we arte chips of the old block i will check on ebay as you suggested.
To cal dolf...... same here buddy.

cdpost#53
 

Yes, front pockets a problem for denim cut-offs - here the rear pockets just about survive:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f569321d...809po1_500.jpg

Byron, I think that is Lycra printed to look like cut down denim. The artists are getting good, but take a look at the leather authenticity badge, it just doesn't look real.

Fake
 

Yes, had my suspicions and the texture doesn't ring true does it?
So well done it was worth the pic however.

Btw what do you think of Mark-Brighton's whites? (very cheap?)

Mark-Brighton has been selling see through white running shorts for a few years now so there must be some demand or he is very persistent. The problem is where to wear them and what to wear under them. With nothing underneath they would be too shocking but with underwear or swimwear underneath they become a tease, perhaps a jockstrap might work. There used to be shorts around made of "onion skin" they were also very see through and suitable only for cruising in gay sports bars. The trouble with all over daring swimsuits and shorts is that on the busy main beach you will appear to be trying too hard, while on the naturist beach you will appear too shy, and consign yourself to areas where other people can only see you at a distance.

No it is not a picture of a runner arriving at a swim pool, failed link, lol.

Grey 1st purchased shorts from Ebay
Black Aqux 2nd pruchase

Black shorts purchased, shipping!
Yellow shorts, waiting for its sales, then make the purchase.

All 4 shorts from Ebay sellers, under $6.

[quote=Torchwatch] There used to be shorts around made of "onion skin" they were also very see through and suitable only for cruising in gay sports bars. [quote]

We used to wear onion skin shorts as our drag suits at swim practice when I was in HS. Yes there were sheer, and I can see how they became gay bar attire (although I never tried that...lol). Some of the guys wore them over their suits while on deck at meets also - mainly because they felt more covered even though you could clearly see right thru them.

more...
 

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx...kgf6o1_500.jpg

Re. Tw post#65 as he seems to have his secret computer antennae up to detect my mistakes the above is the pic for the guy numbered 10 in nice brief white split running shorts and possibly arriving at a pool, where he has prepared with his black speedo - of which we see maybe a glimpse at the leg split?

ES interchangeable?
 

http://25.media.tumblr.com/ec48df62a...4r4oo1_500.jpg

OK - I can't see what ES say for these but having tight leg seams would perhaps mean a swimming short. However, being brief with such freedom would they double as running shorts ?

Not for me, Byron. While short, being so tight, they would still bunch up. If I went short and tight, I'd just wear a square cut swimsuit. I like my running shorts really short, full side split, but loose so that everything can move with no restrictions. I'll see if I can find a photo of what I mean....

I think sewn up split sided shorts were for swimming and fashion girls.
Though I would rather wear something in Lycra for swimming.

Basketball shorts through the ages
 

Here is what College basketball players wore circa 1960
http://images.publicradio.org/conten...ketball_33.jpg

A photo from 1965
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8451/8...46aa6406_o.jpg

1970-71 Duke team
http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketba...am-1970-71.jpg

1975 small town HS tean

http://newleipzig.com/images/histori...m1975CTeam.jpg

1980-81 HS team

http://www.jdcrimsonbears.com/images...ig/1980-81.jpg

1985 Colorado college team
http://www.cubuffs.com/fls/600/class...85-86_team.jpg

1991 team
http://cdn77.psbin.com/25cndnzznzwby...?max_width=650

Check this site out for a whole sequence of teams and you can see how shorts changed year by year



http://athletics.bowdoin.edu/sports/...Photos_Archive

For that matter check out their Swim team photo archive from 1929 to current

http://athletics.bowdoin.edu/sports/...Photos_Archive

1995 HS BB Shorts are getting longer

http://charlescityhighschool.com/wp-...ll-Varsity.jpg

Almost to the knee by 2000

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5268/5...34f11762_o.jpg

2005 Over the kne

http://www.upj.pitt.edu/resources/im...tball_w600.jpg

conclusion
 

Conclusion: THe Over-the-knee trend in BB shorts didnt really get underway until about 2000. Shorts started lehgthening significantly about 1995

good research
 

Interesting research Sebbie. Shorts have clearly followed the way of social norms. Mens swimwear and casual shorts were also much shorter through the 80's. Anyone recall the OP shorts guys wore that had virtually no inseam? Most guys swimwear "back in the day" was the boxer and gym short styles that looked much like basketball shorts. Then along came board shorts....

What I did find intersting is the swim team archive from Bowdoin, which is on the mid-coast of Maine. The guys never did adopt jammers, at least not by the photos. Also, unlike many teams that ventured to more fully dressed team photos of late, Bowdoin's team photos stayed in swim attire.

short shorts
 

After seeing all those pics, I cant understand why basket ball shorts came to be so long.
Wasnt it a lot cooler while they were short, more comfortable, mor freedom of mouvement, and not to mention the athletic look, and the athletes body enhancing, riminds me of the short tennis shorts of the 60ts and on til the long ones came to trend , I remember how graceful the tennis players were in there different mouvements in white short shorts , same thing for basketball of course. hopefully shorts shorts will be back so athletes will be more sport like in appearance.

very curious...
 

Yes, good old pics there to reflect the changing times - and those team photos looked far more impressive with the original long socks being worn.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me...nfpo1_1280.jpg

This has a relationship with mysterious number ten shorts (post#69)
These guys are wearing ES and they are all number twelve Barcelona
(and I think all with speedos under).
A style which is new to me - could they be beach volleyballers ?

Btw what are OP?

OP
 

http://www.etsy.com/listing/11125200...ss-green-kelly

Popular in the US in the 70's and 80's

I had these shorts in ten different colors! Would love to have them now. I still get made fun of, for the pink pair I had!

What I found interesting about the long College swim-team sequence is that the swimmers seemed to have no issues with being photographed as a team all clad in briefs up until about the year 2000. Then after that note that the men clad with sweatpants and maybe a zippered sweatshirt over were asked to step in front of the scantily clad swimmers which conveniently hides the torsos and legs of the guys wearing only briefs. After this there seems to be some dispute as to what appropriate swim-team team photo attire should be that doesn't get fully resolved in successive photos as the years pass.

Some guys in recent years seem comfortable being photographed only in their briefs, others perhaps less so. There is a bit of a homo-erotic component to all of this as in swim team guys being photographed only in briefs with a bunch of other guys..is this ok or not? It's part of bing part of the swimming team to get photographed in only your briefs sopmething every male swim team member needs to come to terms.